Fate?

[They]

Why Bother
Current mood: annoyed
Category: Life


Seriously, why bother? If the future is layed out and there is this thing called "fate" why bother trying to change the path? A path is often carved out by what the trail previous has been. That's the way of life. You can follow a river backwards and see the pattern. Rarely are there any sharp turns and if there are it's a place of great turmoil that often threatens the lives of those foolish enough to travel it. Some rivers are Grand while others are, well, less than average.

People are like that. There are great people, small people, worthwhile people and then there are those who are less than average. If you followed their lives backward what would you see?

Does their past show any significance to their existance? Anything Great? If it doesn't, odds are there will be nothing great in their future. Everything will be as it was. If there are turns of turmoil, these can mean that something extraordinary happened, but did it turn the tide up to greatness or down to more misery? Look at the present to find the answer.

Looking back, what are the great turns in my life? Any? I see none. Based on what I've seen, how can I expect there to be any greatness in the future? I can't nor should I. I simply exist.

If there is a thing called "fate" and it's based on past experiences - then why should I bother with such things as Dreams and Aspirations? Considering the past - the future simply exists - nothing great, only the boring, meaningless existance I have lived thus far.....

But what if "fate" is a fable? What if there is more than the river that is behind me? Should I bother? Should I dare dream? Should I have hopes?

If Fate exists - then Why Bother?

If Fate does not exists - then Why Not bother?

[Alpha]

If I could take a moment here.

Typically when a thread entitled "fate" is made or the topic is discussed generally the person making that thread is upset with there current existence. They feel trapped, or kind of like a train that can only go on it's tracks.

Evolutionists who don't recognize the Lord as there savior have even pushed the fact on me that if God knows everything, than he knows they would have become an Atheist for example, and if fate is already determined than that is the way it's supposed to be.

Free-will actually in itself should destroy the concept of a pre-determined fate, because if everything is already set in stone, then we are not making choices, we are doing what God has laid out for us.

The problem with free-will in theory is God's will, as "our ways are not his ways'', therefore how are we to know whether what we are doing is what we want, or what God wants? Whose will is in effect?

At the end of the day I honestly believe that God truly works on levels that we don't understand. I would think his line of thinking has to be so vast that it's like multi-dimensional and probably at the same time. Meaning that your life will have bits of free-will, fate, God's will, etc, all wrapped into it over your life span.

I don't honestly agree with what I feel is a simplistic view that everything is God's will, because we sin all the time so that's impossible, OR everything is free-will or ours, as there are times when we don't do what we want, OR that it's just all fate, as it just doesn't add up right.

I think it's multiple scenario's of things as stated above.

Why bother, why not, I wouldn't try to analyze it too much, I think it's only going to keep you disappointed. As your not going to get an answer and you may as well enjoy life for what it is. Because one thing is for certain, whatever is going to happen...will.

Alpha

[karin]

I don’t look at things as being fated to happen, or destined to happen. So let’s step into something else before I say something about fate and/or destiny.

When I choose to accept Christ Jesus as my savior I made a choice of my own free will. With this choice come some expectations from Christ Jesus himself. He wants us to stop sinning and change our lives, our mindsets, and our hearts and become in likeness of him. These types of changes can be very difficult because it requires us to look in areas of our lives that we don’t wish to venture to but he ask us to venture there so he can mold us like clay into something new in Christ Jesus.

With that choice is also something else and something I think a lot of people forget. When we choose Christ Jesus as our Lord and Savior we choose eternity with God. This is where our sites must be placed in our lives.

We will not be taking anything with us that are here on earth. We were born with nothing and we will die with nothing. It’s where we store our treasures that matter most. I am choosing to store my treasures up in heaven because God has something much better there than here.

Often times I wish Christ Jesus would hurry up and take me home because of all the pain I experience right now, but I know also in my heart it’s not time to go home and that I must stay in his Word all the time and praise him for all things large and small.

With making my choice to choose Christ Jesus as my savior and choosing to have eternity with God in Heaven is the destiny or fate if you want to call it that I have chosen. This path is also not easy either but we can travel this sometimes painful, tormenting, and other times joyous and prosperous path with Peace. Where does the peace come from? It only comes from Christ Jesus himself.

My current situation is for the pits, and you (They) I know you know my situation. Its hard, because I want it resolved now, but I must have patience to see what will happen and some days I do really good and other days I do so horrible. But I have more days of peace then I do have bad days right now. My situation is caused by situations that have been brought on by our own doings.

To choose not to have Christ Jesus leads us to only one fate or one destiny and that is Death.

So if you want to look at fate or destiny, There are only two choices. I say two choices because in this life of ours there is only two places we can end up, that is hell or heaven.

By choosing to accept Christ Jesus as your Savior changes happens. So what is your desire on your heart?

I’ll tell you what my desire is. My desire is to live out God’s will. His ways are not our ways; his thoughts are not our thoughts. We may have had nothing great in our past lives, but our past lives before Christ lead us to death and it does not need to shape how we live today.

Where is your relationship with God right now? Do you trust in God to handle your situation? Or are you relying on yourself or perhaps other people to help you in your situation?

Often times when we find ourselves in situations and it seems to either never end or its repeating itself again, it usually signifies that there is some heart changing that is needed. God can show the way in that but it also requires for a person to be brutally honest with themselves and look in the mirror and say, uh I don’t like that anymore Lord help me to change this area of my life because I don’t like how this works out when I do it. Lord you show me the way and I’ll just trust in you to show me and then patiencely wait for him to show you. Don’t be in a hurry because he will bring about the best change, and also if you try to rush things, it will always get skewed up. I know this is true of me.

I want my husband to accept some realities and will try hard to show him and I only make matters worse and then I hear the Lord saying to me. Karin, Do you trust me? I start to say, Yes, then the Lord will immediately say, I hear a but coming. Then I say, Yes Lord you are right, Yes I trust you But………………………………….

The Lord promptly showed me that the buts don’t work because when we put in a but, we are effectively wiping out our yes to trusting in God because we want to hang on to our own ways.

The Lord just said, I need you to completely trust me and basically back off and I will give you complete peace if you do this otherwise you’ll just get frustrated.

It took me a couple of weeks to get this right, but I finally managed to let go completely of my husband so that Christ may work in him and not only my husband but so that Christ can work in me also. I must stand by with patience and continue to lift my husband up in prayer.

Right now he thinks we need a divorce and I absolutely disagree because I can see that our problems can be worked out but he doesn’t see that right now and wants a divorce. I have no intention of granting that right now because I am standing in the Lord and allow him to not only work in me, but work in my husband too.

It’s a strange place to be in, the peace that is there is awesome and it causes me to sing joy from my heart to the Lord knowing that the Lord is in control of my situation and I don’t have to let it become a fate or a destiny of my own choosing.

This is why the Lord tells us when we are in pain and terrible situations to Praise the Lord at all times!

So basically if you want God’s will you must ask for it. Ask and you shall receive, but also be prepared to receive something that you hadn’t thought of before or saw yourself doing. Rarely does Gods ideas and my ideas line up with each other when it comes to the future. I just trust in him that the things I am doing are all part of the path that I desire from God.

However if you go on doing things that you think that will make you great in the future. I guess the question to ask yourself, Why do you want to be great in the future? What will it bring you? What does being great mean? Is it a desire or a lust of something better than what we have? I think the greatest thing we can be is to live as true children of God whether we become famous not in this world or whether we become great or not in this world. The greatest thing I could ever receive and that I desire is to be in eternity with our Lord and King as a child of his. That is the greatest and highest honor for me.

Alpha I believe is right on the mark when he says.


Typically when a thread entitled "fate" is made or the topic is discussed generally the person making that thread is upset with there current existence. They feel trapped, or kind of like a train that can only go on it's tracks.


I don’t know if what I have written helps and these thoughts are what came to mind while I was reading your thread.

[pphalan]

They, please stop ...Your Lord Your God took the time to make you....buttttt then again you maybe smarter....

Or just perhaps your very presence here has enriched everyones life.

I have learned very clearly the value of every single person I have seen....and met on the internet.

You ARE NOT ORIGINAL in your thoughts.....

You will keep your faith or deeply wound those that love you....I love you.....I will never quit on you......OUR LORD IS BETTER THAN THAT....

[They]

They, please stop ...Your Lord Your God took the time to make you....buttttt then again you maybe smarter....Well, I'm certainly not smarter than God. That's for sure.


Or just perhaps your very presence here has enriched everyones life. I thank you for the compliment. *bites tongue to avoid dissolution of compliment by self*


You ARE NOT ORIGINAL in your thoughts.....True, most of my thoughts come from interaction with others. I once thought I had an original thought until I read it on a bumper sticker the next day. :D

You will keep your faith or deeply wound those that love you....I love you.....I will never quit on you......OUR LORD IS BETTER THAN THAT....or both - which isn't good. One of the most powerful things that God has created us with is often our most detrimental aspect - emotions. Let not an emotional moment be confused for heartdeep understanding. Emotions are like the surface of the ocean. Easily seen but not always an accurate depiction of what is further down.


If I could take a moment here.

Typically when a thread entitled "fate" is made or the topic is discussed generally the person making that thread is upset with there current existence. They feel trapped, or kind of like a train that can only go on it's tracks.
Typically - yes. With me, however, with many of the topics started it's not the case. Sometimes it's based on what other people have said and having taking their perspective to encourage conversation, thought and growth. Sometimes it is an emotional response to situations. Sometimes, during the very writing - the opportunity for edification hits.

I've posted many a thing that had nothing to do with me but was taken as such. I don't do that so much anymore.

Anyway - it looks like a good discussion is ensuing.